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unicot method
- Thread starter garyhaywood
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pinklather
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I also acquired the distain of pastes, sprays and tape. 'Most likely from the biases of those I've learned from. Its unlike me to continue that way as its too close to rejecting tools that can help. I've tasted good dilucot. I was clearly in the ballpark w/ the N-asagi. But I cannot get it as reliably with the coti finish. This gives me pause about tape, which I used to use and stopped.
In the last couple days, I've used coti, BBW, C12k and asagi and gotten fine edges on each. Like Black & Tan, I've started wading into pastes and various slime. One happy discovery is that the slurry from a stone painted on a canvas/linen strop does retain the personality of that stone. I've not tried slurry from a coti yet, but the asagi and C12k. If I want more smoothness 'cause I finished on the C12k, I give about 20 strokes on the asagi strop. If I want more crispy, 'cause I finished on coti or asagi, a few strokes on the C12k slurried strop gives it. An the slurry is a free byproduct.
If a honemeister is correct, the order of platforms for pastes/sprays: felt, webbing, linen/canvas, leather, balsa will tend to give an increasing chance of harshness. So the asagi strop gives such smoothness, the next experiment will be asagi slurry on balsa.
Now, I will have to go back and try more unicot. Has anyone tried it w/ Emmanuel's Turp/wax coating? If not, I will.
BTW Gary, Thank You for all your kind help on this and other posts. Your objectivity and willingness to try the unorthodox are much appreciated.
In the last couple days, I've used coti, BBW, C12k and asagi and gotten fine edges on each. Like Black & Tan, I've started wading into pastes and various slime. One happy discovery is that the slurry from a stone painted on a canvas/linen strop does retain the personality of that stone. I've not tried slurry from a coti yet, but the asagi and C12k. If I want more smoothness 'cause I finished on the C12k, I give about 20 strokes on the asagi strop. If I want more crispy, 'cause I finished on coti or asagi, a few strokes on the C12k slurried strop gives it. An the slurry is a free byproduct.
If a honemeister is correct, the order of platforms for pastes/sprays: felt, webbing, linen/canvas, leather, balsa will tend to give an increasing chance of harshness. So the asagi strop gives such smoothness, the next experiment will be asagi slurry on balsa.
Now, I will have to go back and try more unicot. Has anyone tried it w/ Emmanuel's Turp/wax coating? If not, I will.
BTW Gary, Thank You for all your kind help on this and other posts. Your objectivity and willingness to try the unorthodox are much appreciated.
garyhaywood
Well-Known Member
I've even used unicot and left tape on and finished on 1.0m 0.25m plus balsa crox, just five laps on each. the results were amazing ly smooth and sharp. i have acumalated diamond paste from ti the new bio stuff, diamond spray and i have ti rasoir pate. Plus crox balsa and crox on leather. I've never found a pasted edge to be that harsh unless i've over done it. I have quite sensative skin. I never found crox a problem . A harsh edge to me is not so much the product but the way we have used it. paste are potent and you should'nt nee more than a thew strokes.
I've had real crispy edges of coticule , my hybrid in particular. I put that down to me. Over doing it with out realizing. I then learn't that going back to lighht slurry and then water melowed the edge to where my face liked it. my main objective is to get a great dilucot edge with single bevel no tape . If that fails i can and will go to unicot. I can do this with one hone , which i have always like the idea of. If i want a single bevel and dilucot just is'nt right up there, i will persavere and kep at that edge . This could take 5 minutes to a week of test shaving and rehoning. My other method would be 10 to 20 laps on ti pasted canvas strop. this leaves a nice soft smooth sharp edge.
i can shave of any dilucot edge . i never get one that pulls and is that bad. at one time the best i could get was a dilucot edge that shaved with resistants or minimal resistants.
The problem was one day i got6 a dilucot edge out of the blue that shaved two days growth. this is how good it was , i had to check that the stubble had been removed. thats how smooth the edge was. Thats wen i realized how good and smooth the edges could be. Thats what uinspired me to keep at it, and i still do now .
So the reason why i came to think , why not just unicot if i have to. This way i get the max coticule edge . I like the feel of the blades edge. Its a dull feel yet sharp and removes stubble with out you realizing it. My skin feels untouched. there is just somthing about that feel.
I got my self a dovo best from a vendor all thought the razor was honed well enought to shave . It most certaunly was'nt as smooth as my coticule edges, nor as sharp. the razor shaves at the end of the day, but to my liking. I could tell by the feel that the edge has been finished on diamond spray and honed on synthetics. This also made me realize once again that you realy carn't beat a dilucot or unicot edge . So for those not getting a great dilucot edge at the moment. use unicot and you will enjoy your shaves with out paste . If you want a single bevel then use some sharpening paste as i have.Or keep at it by using the coticule.
regards gary
I've had real crispy edges of coticule , my hybrid in particular. I put that down to me. Over doing it with out realizing. I then learn't that going back to lighht slurry and then water melowed the edge to where my face liked it. my main objective is to get a great dilucot edge with single bevel no tape . If that fails i can and will go to unicot. I can do this with one hone , which i have always like the idea of. If i want a single bevel and dilucot just is'nt right up there, i will persavere and kep at that edge . This could take 5 minutes to a week of test shaving and rehoning. My other method would be 10 to 20 laps on ti pasted canvas strop. this leaves a nice soft smooth sharp edge.
i can shave of any dilucot edge . i never get one that pulls and is that bad. at one time the best i could get was a dilucot edge that shaved with resistants or minimal resistants.
The problem was one day i got6 a dilucot edge out of the blue that shaved two days growth. this is how good it was , i had to check that the stubble had been removed. thats how smooth the edge was. Thats wen i realized how good and smooth the edges could be. Thats what uinspired me to keep at it, and i still do now .
So the reason why i came to think , why not just unicot if i have to. This way i get the max coticule edge . I like the feel of the blades edge. Its a dull feel yet sharp and removes stubble with out you realizing it. My skin feels untouched. there is just somthing about that feel.
I got my self a dovo best from a vendor all thought the razor was honed well enought to shave . It most certaunly was'nt as smooth as my coticule edges, nor as sharp. the razor shaves at the end of the day, but to my liking. I could tell by the feel that the edge has been finished on diamond spray and honed on synthetics. This also made me realize once again that you realy carn't beat a dilucot or unicot edge . So for those not getting a great dilucot edge at the moment. use unicot and you will enjoy your shaves with out paste . If you want a single bevel then use some sharpening paste as i have.Or keep at it by using the coticule.
regards gary
garyhaywood
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Just one thing i'm not sure about. i have a travel paddle . its firm . Would a unicot edge make full contact with a paddle strop? i'm persuming it would. If two layers were use to unicot the edge , as in a ti razor. Which is recomended to prevent micro chipping due to shaving. would this be a problem on a paddle strop?. there is give in a loom strop. paddles are much flatter firmer surface , very rigid and ot much if any movemant.
gary
gary
Matt
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I believe that the unicot microbevel is so small, that leather suppleness will allow for reaching the very edge anyway. Unless the leather on your paddle strop is really really, really thin and there's no 'cushion' of any kind beneath it, or it's overly hard - but that would make it less then optimal, wouldn't it.
The workaround could also be applying some more torque, maybe? As a last resort, you can always tape it back, but it would suck badly to tape just for stropping.
cheers,
Matt
The workaround could also be applying some more torque, maybe? As a last resort, you can always tape it back, but it would suck badly to tape just for stropping.
cheers,
Matt
Bart
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If the paddle strop has some cushion (in other words, if the leather is thick enough), it won't be a problem. But with a very rigid paddle strop and enough tape, there will be a point where proper contact will pose a problem. For daily stropping, I usually recommend hanging strops or loom strops. No issues with those.
Kind regards,
Bart.
Kind regards,
Bart.
garyhaywood
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My travel paddle is very rigid. i'll take my single dilucotted edges on my hols.
cheers gary
cheers gary
torbenbp
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Darn...I thought unicut was just for dumb people like me! Quite honestly,after a couple of years of straight shaving,unicut have been used 95% of the time...it`s _relatively _ easy learnable,at least much easier than dilucut. Though my unicut edges are very far from Ralfy`s edges.. But that is a matter of skills.
Torbs
Torbs